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[Gionelles]

Here ye, Here ye! I've got a few suggestions I'd like to make. Why? Because I noticed a few odd things on my first day of meandering on this server. Most of these are extremely trivial, easy fixes, but I feel they're important to address.


          Novices with no Zeny
 

Spoiler

This is one of the most trivial things ever, but I'm going to mention it. I forgot to grab some items to sell in the training grounds on one character, and went straight to town on another. Thus, my novice couldn't use the storage (which costs 40 zeny to use - duh). Could we give new characters 1k - 5k, so they can use storage and get basic shit please?

 
          Tool Dealer
 

Spoiler

Here's some things I would love to have added to the Tool Dealers
 
-Arrow
-Silver Arrow
-Fire Arrow?
-Trap
-Condoms!
 
As a side note, having a type of dealer that deals items respective to your class would be nice.
For example, Guillotine Crosses could buy Venom Knives and poison kits (NOT Deadly Poison though), Mechanics could buy the stuff you'd find at the midgard black market, Shadow Chasers could buy paint and brushes, etc.

 
          Warper
 

Spoiler

I have two things that I feel would improve the warping function.
-Where it says "Last Warp," it should show the map we last went to (for example, moc_fild03, or prontera, or whatever).
-Maps you have not yet done the entrance quest for (such as Brasalis Dungeon, Nameless Island, Scaraba Hole, etc etc) should be a different color.

 
          Kafra
 

Spoiler

Not all Kafras have the teleport ability. For example, if you warp to Payon Dungeon and walk right outside into northern Payon Town, then look SouthEast, you'll see a Kafra. She cannot teleport you anywhere (not even to Uganda. Any Kafra agent who can't teleport you to Uganda is a failure in my book). What if I was out of butterfly wings? What if I misclicked with a strong character? Now I've got to walk back to the Southern part of South Payon Town to warp to Prontera again (something that isn't a huge deal, by any stretch of the imagination, but still. If you're going to have your universal NPC built into the Kafra, please do it to all of the Kafra NPCs).
 
Here's another problem with the Kafra I encountered on a rare occasion: the picture. There were a few times where I'd use her for my sick and twisted desires, then when I was done with her, the picture remained at the bottom-right of my screen. I tried telling her that no one loves her, but she persisted. Since we can't @refresh her away, I feel it's necessary to check the picture for bugs. (Wow... I'm really complaining over some dumb shit now, aren't I? :P )

 
          @die
 

Spoiler

Surely this command isn't abuseable... is it? The trade off of not needing butterfly wings vs losing 1% exp in dungeons seems fair to me. I mean... Level 175 character stuck in some random field because he/she went farming and forgot to bring some butterfly wings... think of that poor character. Now stop thinking about them. Why are you still thinking about them? You're disgusting.
As a side note, I know that some quests will automatically change your save point (like... what if a quest sends you to a remote field and tells you to find your way back? At first you're like "lol I'll just @die my way back!" Then... you realize your save point isn't in town anymore. GENIUS! *fist pump*).

 
          Cursor
 

Spoiler

Let me... POINT something out to you (AHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAA): I love the fact that I can zoom out so much. A lot. Like, whoa, that's really nice for mobbing Scarabas 'n' shit. However, you can't click as far as you can zoom. Now, to my knowledge, this is actually a problem every server hates facing, as trying to fix it is a messy, tedious job. How messy? Messier then your Grandmother on Taco Tuesday. Anyways, I just figured I'd mention it.

          Blind

Spoiler

So like... One of the listed reasons @refresh is disabled for players is that you can remove the blind animation with it. In conjunction, I always find it funny when I can zoom past the blind limit. Idea: Make the image used for the blind animation twice as large on the outside (and maybe even SMALLER on the inside! Oh wait, I meant to say tighter on the inside...).

 
          Stylist
 

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I have a few issues here...
-I can't seem to select my saved styles... Maybe it's just because I'm blonde, and blondes can't do shit.
-There's no way for me to know which hair color, hair style, and palette numbers I'm on/currently wearing.
-If I like my current style, but want to tweak it, I have to cycle through the styles again to find my original style (or write it down). A "Revert to Original" option would be nice. Thanks!
-Is it just me, or do saved palettes delete themselves?
-Is it just me, or does the stylist's save system save hair color, hair style, and palette numbers individually?
-Is it just me, or do Psor's feet smell TERRIBLE?!

 
          Missing NPC's?
 

Spoiler

-So I know you have ctrl+b, but I guess a Banker would be cool too. Actually, just kidding. FUCK THE BANKER! CTRL+B ALL THE WAY BABY!
-Rental NPC? Like, falcons, carts, and pecos? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you were just like "STFU and go to Hugel to get your smelly falcon, Gio!" I wouldn't even mind. But like, I just wanted to mention it.
-Whoa, no mado gear NCP in prontera? WHAAAT?! Again, I wouldn't be surprised if you just shut me down on this one, but meh; figured I'd ask.

 
          First Class Job Level Cap.

Spoiler

OKAY! This is actually rather important to me, so srs talk nao guiz. Once upon a time, I played a server where the first job classes (such as swordsman, archer, and acolyte) could go to job level 70. Why was this awesome? Because you didn't have to waste 2nd job levels on fucking... Angelus, Demon Bane, Divine Protection, Stone Curse, 'n' snit. Does this overpower any given class? lolno. We have Thirds and EDP for overpowered classes.

Now, now, maybe 70 is too much for you. Even job level 60 would be a massive improvement.

But honestly, that's not my only issue. You know how Babies can't become transcendents? Well then... what if 2nd class (Dancer, Assassin, Monk, etc; but NOT Gypsy, Assassin Cross, Champion, etc) could go to job level 80 or 90? It'd be a nice trade off, instead of having baby characters be forever inferior to non-babies (plus, baby stat mods suck). In return, what if transcendents (Whitesmith, Creator, Stalker, etc) could go up to job level 75? This has no purpose other than more jobs, and spending more time on a transcendent. It'd just be nice for classes like High Priest and High Wizard, is all.

Finally, please allow novices to be able to get to job level 6,324. Face it, novices need job levels more than any other class. Make it so. If you don't, RO will be forever imbalanced... just like the imbalance in your blood sugar levels from swallowing so much. ... Oh, you thought I didn't finish that sentence? No, I finished. You swallow a LOT.

Whore.

 
          @mobsearch

Spoiler

I fucking love this fucking command so fucking much. Why? Because it saves me the trouble of spending 10+ minutes looking for a specific monster. @mobsearch just tells me how many of a certain monster are on the map I'm on at the moment: simple and pleasant. For example: Dragon Fly. He drops clips and my favorite hat of all time in moc_fild18, thus I like farming him. It'd be AWESOME to just... type in @mobsearch and know if he's fucking alive or not, instead of running around like a jackarse, looking for him (so he can decide not to drop my hat anyways).

I mean, looking for Dragon Fly is harder than looking for your pet squid in the sky with a spinning camera for a head and tape for fingers. It's harder than looking for your credit card in a strip house. It's harder than looking for a necrophiliac gypsy in a church. That's why I think we should have @mobsearch.

 
         Claymore, Blast Mine, and Land Mine
 

Spoiler

Please remind me why the hell Gravity thinks we need cast time on these skills, because I don't get it. They're the only traps in the game that have cast time (not even cluster bomb has cast time!), and they're easily some of the most amazing, useful skills for mobbing as a low level hunter... that is, unless they have motherfucking cast time. I get that Gravity wanted to balance the damage-dealing traps on hunters and all, but with ranger traps anyways, what's the point? I find this on quite a lot of servers that I play, and it's one of my little pet peeves about the hunter class. I don't like mobbing with Arrow Shower - I like mobbing with Claymore and Blast Mine. The only reason I even put Land Mine in the title is because I find it useless; and a useless skill shouldn't have cast time either.

Please... Please for the love of God fix this. If you don't, I will find you, and I will look at you. And then I will leave, having done you no harm (because that is how a Gio do).
 
I mean come on. Every other trap in the game is instantly cast. Why make the only good ones completely unusable?

 
In any case, Sorry that the text here is so grandiose.

Now... Stop thinking about that character. I know you were still thinking about it.

[Rikter]

Woah! Such a long list!

Thanks for these suggestions, I really like some of them ! :D

On a side note, some things you suggested are in already :P

Check the Kafra, you'll see that there's a rental function, and there's a full set of dealers in the Mall :P

[Byte]

Starting Zeny: Yes

 

Tool Dealers have had their redundant items removed in favor of the Item Mall, which will be accessible from every town shortly

 

still think we need a separate warper NPC

 

i initially wanted @die for players, but it would be silly to have some scrub mash @die the moment he comes close to death in pvp, since we'll be counting kills for certain reasons sometime soon. there are ways around this, though

 

cursor out of the viewable area is out of my knowledge and completely up to rikter

 

zooming out past blind has been a commonly known trick for a while, i'd say lets just keep it and focus on more important things

 

stylist suggestions will be kept in mind, albeit low priority

 

you can rent stuff from the kafra. we've also implemented mado gear as an active skill, allowing you to mount your mado at any time at the cost of 20 fuel.

 

disagree completely with @mobsearch. part of ro's charm is teleing around trying to find stuff, possibly missing it by a single cell or have it tele away from the spot you would have landed in 1ms later.

 

removing cast times for the hunter traps is in the to-do list

 

 

my 2cents

[Gionelles]

Shweet. :D I'm glad to see these responses.

And yeah, sorry for not looking harder for the stuff that's already implemented. Again, I'm blonde. Blonde people can't do shit. ^_^

[Scias]

@die

Have you discussed @go yet? Seems like a more hardcore server than truero so I wouldn't be surprised if you guys don't want it, but it would clear up this issue and some other issues, as you can disable it in pvp etc. @die just seems a little desperate and weird to use given that you can be resurrected (by someone by accident, or by a troll) when dead, although it can be handy for getting rid of orc faces or long term status inflictions.

 

Cursor

I've had many conversations about this and it's apparently a tough one to deal with judging by truero's incompetence. Zoom range, draw distance of sprites, cursor glitches, clicking range, all seem to be related. Truero lets you zoom out all the way and has a long draw distance, yet has unplayable WoE due to cursor glitch which I'm not sure is related to this. Other servers such as RebirthRO have tried to increase zoom range, only to have your clicking range reduced by accident so they basically cancelled that. Also it seems increasing zoom range introduces a slight cursor glitches where you could be hovering above the ground just on the edge of the default zoom range, right click, and it gives you the options as if you right clicked a player on the other side of the screen. It's rare enough to be shrugged off but I'm sure you've all seen that. Cookie/Velvet worked like that but I think were the best in this area with extended zoom, and minimal cursor glitches. I can't remember how far their sprite draw distance was though. Looks like there is hope in this area. Sorry I can't chime in more but I have a feeling Riktor is knowledgable in this area.

 

First Class Job Levels

To quote a certain person known for his constahate, and named after a north western part of africa: "I disagree". I enjoy the hard work of making a hybrid AB for example, and this would change the game too much for elite players. Their skill partly lies in deciding their build and skills and choosing wisely and tactically which build to have. I'm all for cheap or free skill/stat resets but giving people all the skills, even 1st class skills would impact the competitive part of the game too greatly I think. The hard work and speciality of a hybrid build would become trivial to achieve rendering the care and tactics that go into making builds redundant. This goes for many classes, who could max all their fundamental skills, they may not be great skills, but having all pre-requirements maxed for your 2nd class skills would give rise to some all round OP characters and kill the dynamics of skill speciality. I believe sages, monks, wizards, priests among others would benefit too greatly. I also disagree that blonde people can't do shit. Eryx is the one who can't do shit. I taught him how to sorc and look at him now still useless.

[Gionelles]

@die

Stuff about @go.

 

Cursor

Stuff about how the cursor is a bitch and it makes his bestiality kick in and his knob hard.

 

First Class Job Levels

Stuff about imbalance, hybrid builds, and Eryx's dick.

 

So you're saying Blondes aren't the only dumb ones out there? Well, I'd agree. However, I rest my case that we're some of, if not the most idiotic people on this planet. :D

Responses:

     @die
     Yeah, @go would fix these issues, especially if @go was disabled in WoE and PvP. I'd note that @go should only teleport you to towns though, and not dungeons (no exceptions).

 

     Cursor

     I haven't kept up with Renewal emulation enough to understand just how terrible fixing these issues are. I'll definitely say that I would take the suggestion with a grain of salt. What if you hypothetically fix all cursor issues with zero bugs, then patch the game a month later? Say hello to a mountain of cursor bugs (because coding).

 

     First Class Job Levels

     I see what you're saying, Scias, and I don't disagree at all. Perhaps I just don't take it as seriously as you do (ZOMG SCIAS IS SO HARD CORE).

 

     Eryx

     fgt knt du sht, bch plz

Edited by Gionelles, 21 October 2014 - 01:35 AM.

[Scias]

Pff i'm not that hardcore, i'm talking for those who are though.

[Gionelles]

LOL LIKE ERYX? 

 

His dick is so hard, all the way to the core.

Edited by Gionelles, 21 October 2014 - 01:55 AM.

[Scias]

It is when I'm around. I think Juve suggested "have you tried turning it off and on again?". I've tried but he's only turned on when I'm around.

 

I've been told I'm a walking ecstasy. That explains his obsession with me.

[Gionelles]

*Nods and starts writing down notes* Mmmyus, dis makes sense to me. No one can contain themselves around you, Scias. Though, you're more than just walking ecstasy. You're like walking laxatives and ecstasy. Why? Because shits 'n' giggles.

Edited by Gionelles, 21 October 2014 - 02:35 AM.

[Syncope]

For some reason my name just magically appears on every forum post. Thanks for the shout out Scias.

Looking forward to obliterating each and every char you have in pvp Gio, again. Of course truero isnt gonna be the last analrape youll get.

[Gionelles]

For some reason my name just magically appears on every forum post. Thanks for the shout out Scias.

Looking forward to obliterating each and every char you have in pvp Gio, again. Of course truero isnt gonna be the last analrape youll get.

 

D'aww, you're so cute~ :wub:  I can't wait to rek you right back, scrub! (Well... then again, we just might end up in the same guild together).

Edited by Gionelles, 21 October 2014 - 07:07 AM.

[Rikter]

Cursor

I've had many conversations about this and it's apparently a tough one to deal with judging by truero's incompetence. Zoom range, draw distance of sprites, cursor glitches, clicking range, all seem to be related. Truero lets you zoom out all the way and has a long draw distance, yet has unplayable WoE due to cursor glitch which I'm not sure is related to this. Other servers such as RebirthRO have tried to increase zoom range, only to have your clicking range reduced by accident so they basically cancelled that. Also it seems increasing zoom range introduces a slight cursor glitches where you could be hovering above the ground just on the edge of the default zoom range, right click, and it gives you the options as if you right clicked a player on the other side of the screen. It's rare enough to be shrugged off but I'm sure you've all seen that. Cookie/Velvet worked like that but I think were the best in this area with extended zoom, and minimal cursor glitches. I can't remember how far their sprite draw distance was though. Looks like there is hope in this area. Sorry I can't chime in more but I have a feeling Riktor is knowledgable in this area.

I don't know if I understood the issue here, but it seems that you can zoom out a lot, but you can't click on "outer" area of such big screen?
'cause if this is the issue, I think I can do nothing about it. RO client was designed for 17 visibility cells for sprite rendering, with 14 cells of Chars/Mobs reach. To allow users to click (and make char walk) to a bigger area (bigger as shown by increase-range client like the one we have) means that I should increase both visual range and effective can-reach range, that would need a whole edit of mob AI and players AI [Unless you don't want to see players (Snipers) killing stuff from 25 cell range and/or mobs starting chasing players from that distance too.]:

Real issue here is that zoom. I personally was against increasing it. I'm one of those users that always played with such big zoom, but in the end...what's the poing of having it, when the client won't render objects more than the standard zoom range?

[Gionelles]

 

Real issue here is that zoom. I personally was against increasing it. I'm one of those users that always played with such big zoom, but in the end...what's the poing of having it, when the client won't render objects more than the standard zoom range?

 

 

I can think of a reason: what if you want your menus, stat screens, and chat bar to be visible, but not get in the way? I love having RO run a high enough res that the windows don't take up a lot of screen room anyways, yeah. However, I still find it nice when I can zoom out to the point that none of those windows are in my effective clicking range, IE in my way.

Edited by Gionelles, 21 October 2014 - 08:32 AM.

[Syncope]

 

For some reason my name just magically appears on every forum post. Thanks for the shout out Scias.

Looking forward to obliterating each and every char you have in pvp Gio, again. Of course truero isnt gonna be the last analrape youll get.

 

D'aww, you're so cute~ :wub:  I can't wait to rek you right back, scrub! (Well... then again, we just might end up in the same guild together).

 

I guess you couldnt get over what happened to you in TrueRO PvP.

 

About the cursor glitch: I think I know what Scias is talking about though and I think that shit only exists in truero cause lolbadDEV. Theres times that the cursor turns into an attack cursor when you click a farther part of the screen when youre trying to move.

Edited by Syncope, 21 October 2014 - 08:36 AM.

[Gionelles]

I guess you couldnt get over what happened to you in TrueRO PvP.

 

Lol you took that seriously? Well then, if that's a serious match to you, I really do feel sorry for you.  B)

Edited by Gionelles, 21 October 2014 - 08:42 AM.

[Psor]

@novices and zeny

git gud casual scrub

 

@tool dealer

Just make every tool dealer have the same shit: FWs, BWs, bottles, arrows, silver arrows, fire arrows, pots (red, yellow, white, green), gems (all 3, just with different prices equal to total cost of buying blue gems and converting them) and ygg leaves. Then move tool dealers near the spawn point in each town.

 

@warper

+1

 

@kafra

-1

git gud and carry BWs or at least tele clip/hat/whatever like every normal player does

 

@@die

-1

abusable in BGs and fucks up stats that are supposed to be on this server. Git gud and carry BWs/tele clip.

 

@missing NPCs

Isn't in new clients banker built in the menu? It was avaible on either VelvetRO or Cookie in the last patch and it worked great. You could use it anywhere and didn't have to click through NPC dialogue windows (which are shit in RO because of small area, 'mehish' buttons and inability to use enter most of the time to 'click button').

+1 for rentals though

 

@1st class jlvl

-1 you disguisting scrub. Mage classes will profit from this massively because of ability to have all the useful skills like FW, SW, SC and eventually bolts maxed. These skills actually make a difference in WoE/PvP.

[Scias]

Truero does have extended clicking range without extended skill range, meaning that this doesn't increase the range of rangers because they will still have to walk to within default shooting range before they cast their skill or attack, but are still able to click miles beyond the default range for walking. But given the insane amount of cursor issues in truero, I would agree it's not an important enough issue for you to go and change, too much of a risk to cursor issues. Actually the main difference between the two servers is sprite drawing range. You already have great clicking range. But as you say the code changing for sprite range might be risky and give rise to new issues. I don't think increased ranger range would happen though. The skill range would stay the same, but the ranger would just walk towards the mob before firing.

[Psor]

iirrc TrueRO has official zoom in/out so unles you use some modification that allows extreme zoom out then you can't even click outside of default range.

Edited by Psor, 21 October 2014 - 04:32 PM.

[Scias]

Ah true, I forgot the zoom isn't that big in truero. You can still click miles outside the zoom range though if the camera angle is correct. And you can still see the sprite draw distance is massive.